[laughter] i go to school for nursing some go to premed or sciences but don't you feel it makes sense to learn basic human anatomy that is the essential to a medical profession or even if you study biology? >> you are going into use surgery if you are fresh out of medical school or the bears watching 20 years? i would take the nurse. there is background and knowledge that is handy absolutely but the idea that comes from the classroom should be changed and we should spend more time being practical in the real world. >> that makes sense but if you don't have the background knowledge and you just know what you'd do by experiencing these firsthand that means you don't know how to fix your mistakes because he did and get the basic technical knowledge at school. >> my challenge is is the best way to sit in the classroom paying exorbitant amounts of money or could we get back more efficiently? john: next person. >> ideas graduated from school in indiana but is the engineering degree in human studies just as valid? it is not the same thing where does that misconception come from? to make sure